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Post by ZhenYue on Sun May 26, 2013 12:35 am

I realize that what I will say here will make some people unhappy, angry or even make them dislike me. I am willing to take this risk in order to try and help the guild go somewhere in the near-future. What I say here will be blunt and abrasive in some parts; this is not intentional. This post is meant to help, not offend. Please, I ask you to set your egos aside and read this message and realize that this is written by a concerned member who cares, not a hater who wishes to destroy.

I am concerned about the lack of interest of our high-ranking members towards suggestions or opinions made by the lower level members, both on this forum and in the in-game guild chat. Some members, including myself, have raised some suggestions in order to make our guild do more group oriented things and I am a bit disappointed that a week or more has gone by and the only replies have been from the original poster, one of the vice-leaders, and I. The suggestion forum has basically turned into a 3-person conversation. No one else has said "Oh, this sounds interesting." or anything at all. We have also made these same suggestions in the in-game chat while the high-ranking members are talking and as soon as we make the suggestion the chat goes dead; everyone seems to go afk. It has been going on for more than two weeks and I fear that this will lead some of our members to believe that the higher-ranks do not care and might decide to leave the guild. Some of our members have already raised this concern to me and I have tried my best to keep their hope for this guild alive. I will not name these members but they are welcome to post here if they want their concerns heard. Please, do not take offense. This is not an attack. It is me trying to shake you guys up a little in hopes of waking you up and letting you see how it looks from a different perspective. This is a great guild and has lots of potential but it is in a complacent state. It is not moving anywhere. Yes, we do instances together, and our high-rankers never fail to help out the lower levels with these instances. But we can do lots of stuff that we are not doing. We are basically in a guild in which everyone is going about doing things on their own. This has to change. It is not that hard to do. We need more interaction between each other and with other guilds. I really hope this message is well-received by some of you and that you will help me in my attempt to try to help this guild improve. Please, if you get offended do not post a reply defending yourself. Try to be understanding even if you disagree with everything that I’ve just said. Try to solve the problem, not add to it. This is a problem already growing in the guild and it should not be left unresolved.

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Re: Concerned about the guild

Post by ricepot on Sun May 26, 2013 4:40 am

Well if you ask me not all member in the high rank like a high risk activities like guild escort or a guild war etc etc

Some simply did not want trouble after done something

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Re: Concerned about the guild

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Re: Concerned about the guild

Post by ZhenYue on Sun May 26, 2013 7:43 am


Sorry, rice. I cannot see this thread. I do not have the rights to see it.

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Re: Concerned about the guild

Post by maydream on Sun May 26, 2013 1:43 pm

People have different interests. You can't expect that we all have same interests as you.
The high-lvl players I used to play with are focused on the big instance runs, SS, SW and such things. You guys don't seem to care too much about those things and are trying to "create" anything new (that's totally fine... but different interests though).
Well, I live in Europe. I can't do much after like 20:00 server time. The guild changed lately into an US-timezone guild. Things you guys care about are not affecting me much so I already retired from council.
As you can see, we already realized it. A few people may change their interests and join you -others won't or simply cannot.

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Re: Concerned about the guild

Post by ZhenYue on Sun May 26, 2013 9:00 pm

maydream wrote:People have different interests. You can't expect that we all have same interests as you.
The high-lvl players I used to play with are focused on the big instance runs, SS, SW and such things. You guys don't seem to care too much about those things and are trying to "create" anything new (that's totally fine... but different interests though).
Well, I live in Europe. I can't do much after like 20:00 server time. The guild changed lately into an US-timezone guild. Things you guys care about are not affecting me much so I already retired from council.
As you can see, we already realized it. A few people may change their interests and join you -others won't or simply cannot.

Yes, I agree with you. People have different interests but they can at least try and join in on other activities especially if they are high-rankers. It keeps the members interested and happy. You are right, I do not enjoy instances as much as the high-rankers but I still try to do a few runs with them whenever I can. I try to spend time with them doing what they like to do even if I don't like it as much as them. It is all about spending time together. Thank you for your reply. I really appreciate it.

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Re: Concerned about the guild

Post by maydream on Mon May 27, 2013 2:53 am

We know what "being social" means. I just wanted to show you that we have individual reasons to not do what you presume to expect of us (and used myself as an example). But as I said before.. some players will join you anyway, others won't or cannot.

If you wish that some specific players join your project, why don't you just ask them straight? Maybe in a PM or whatver... but it's not necessary to shout out such shallow assumptions. Or a simple "hey, we wish that more high-lvl players join our projects" would do it too. Problem solved.

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Re: Concerned about the guild

Post by ZhenYue on Mon May 27, 2013 5:22 am

maydream wrote:We know what "being social" means. I just wanted to show you that we have individual reasons to not do what you presume to expect of us (and used myself as an example). But as I said before.. some players will join you anyway, others won't or cannot.

If you wish that some specific players join your project, why don't you just ask them straight? Maybe in a PM or whatver... but it's not necessary to shout out such shallow assumptions. Or a simple "hey, we wish that more high-lvl players join our projects" would do it too. Problem solved.

I was not explaining what "social" means. You say you wanted to show me that some of you have individual reasons for not doing what "I expect of you" but I already stated this in my original post. It is not "I" who is expecting anything out of you guys. It is the entire guild. Guild members expect interactions out of their leaders. If i don't shout out such shallow assumptions, as you called them, for other members this guild will end up going nowhere and losing members, including some in the high-ranks. You are making this about me and you are not realizing that this is a problem that affects the whole guild and I am bringing it to everyone's attention before it gets out of hand. If I was another person I would've just left the guild already but I like this guild and its members and I do not want to lose any of them. We (and I include myself in here) need to interact more with each other. Like i said before, I do not enjoy instances as much as some of you but I do like hanging out and interacting with you guys and I join you guys in whatever it is you love doing. This is not something hard to do. We just need to set our selfishness aside for a few minutes and help out your members do something they like to do. If some members do not want to join a certain activity, ever, because they completely dislike it then all they need to do is say "Sorry, I hate doing that. Please don't ask me again." Instead of just leaving the person hanging with no reply at all (when it comes to guild chat) or just saying "Sorry. Too busy right now."

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Re: Concerned about the guild

Post by maydream on Mon May 27, 2013 1:42 pm

I realized it long ago (hint: you are in the leader team now and I'm not anymore). My intention to write here was another...

However, move on with the actual topic.

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Re: Concerned about the guild

Post by yottaso on Tue May 28, 2013 10:41 pm

well let me put my 2 cents in here.

well for starters i wouldnt say its just the high lvls there are a few lower lvls as well but those are hard to tell if there just alts or regular players. the way i see it is. theres a general lack of wanting to do things as a guild. dont get me wrong i know everyone doesnt like pvp or pve, i myself hate doing escorts there boring ect. but i do them and now i do them in louyang. i hate louyang i liek doign escorts in chengdu and would do them there with no problems but i switched to lou so i can do escorts with the others. escorts help the guild get popularity and guild funds thats the major reason i do them the 2nd is so that i can hang out with other members of the guild as well. if we got the majority of the guild to sit down at one time or 2 or 3 even and run them then we'd only have to do so many b4 the guild was maxed out, the time would be cut in hlaf if not more the guild would keep its pop ect and we'd have more time to do other things.i only see a few post here or in game who want to do this, that sucks to me and makes me feel like i need to do this alone so it gets done and makes me want to leave game because im bored outta my ass doing it alone.

now i like instances i like mini's. the problem with this is im to low to do pv and rs1 ect so i cant join the higher ups and do them. i can ask the higher ups to join me in gcc or tv normal but i dont liek to ask that because then it seems like im just asking them because im a lower lvl when to tell you the truth i just want to hang out with them. there are a few times ill ask them to help me out but otherwise i try and leave them alone so they dont think im needy. the only time i can hang with them is at tp or a few times when i bump into them. this is why i try and come up with new ideas and new things or that both low and high lvl can do or reply on things someone else posts. i want eveyone to join in doing the escorts i want them to join in the nightly dueling i want them to join in anything shoot id be happy just to sit here on the forums and bs with everyone as long as i got to hang out with you all. if i have to do a few things i dont like for awhile in game for the guild and the guild members im up for it it makes me feel like im part of the group in all.

i like this guild because of the people in it. if i didnt i would have left and joined a big guild and done what i wanted when i wanted. but there are times i feel like im just sitting here that no one wants to do anything and at those times im like shoot i like the guys/gals but im just sitting in game with no one to do anything with and man that guild over there has alot of members doing this ect. i have no want for power in the guild. if i was given any postion in the concil/leadership id tell them to take it away. i dont want any authority over anyone im just here to have some fun. but id liek to see more members both high and low lvl trying to make a lil room to do some stuff as a guild as a group of friends trying to better the game one way or the other. i want to see people putting there 2 cents here like may, lui, zhen, rice,lotus, and honey and a few others have been doing. if u hate the ideas then say so if u think if u add this to an idea add it damn it... if u think its a bad idea or a really good one post that shit up for all to see, lets all get together and do something as a guild lets run down the streets of chengdu screaming BIG BAD MF x13'S IN THE HOUSE MOFO'S!! ect ect lol




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Re: Concerned about the guild

Post by MingShu on Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:48 pm

Hi Zhen, thanks for bringing this subject, it's very courageous of you.
ZhenYue wrote: I am concerned about the lack of interest of our high-ranking members towards suggestions or opinions made by the lower level members, both on this forum and in the in-game guild chat. Some members, including myself, have raised some suggestions in order to make our guild do more group oriented things and I am a bit disappointed that a week or more has gone by and the only replies have been from the original poster, one of the vice-leaders, and I.
True and I find this quite disappointing too.
Sad thing is I feel like this lack of interest and involment is generalized, so it's not only toward the lower levels. But it's only normal that the lower levels or any new members might feel that way.
ZhenYue wrote: This is a great guild and has lots of potential but it is in a complacent state. It is not moving anywhere. Yes, we do instances together, and our high-rankers never fail to help out the lower levels with these instances. But we can do lots of stuff that we are not doing.
Totally agree, we need to do more stuff like guild wars, special escorts, PVP tournaments, SS raids, etc...
But we need more people to be involved into organizing all these activities and we need people to participate too.
ZhenYue wrote: need more interaction between each other and with other guilds
I heard from last meeting that guild war is put aside too...wow, I dont know what to say, but well it's decided by council and I wasnt here.
ZhenYue wrote: Guild members expect interactions out of their leaders.
In my opinion, leaders are expected to be active, involved and make decisions so the guild keep always advancing and improving as a guild but also was individuals. Also, is it their duty to hold the guild together in harmony, and to keep the motivation high.
We dont have a single leader, but a council made up of people starting from elite and up.
And again this is only my opinion and how i see things : We are not doing well at all (including myself of course)

Hi yotta,
yottaso wrote: now i like instances i like mini's. the problem with this is im to low to do pv and rs1 ect so i cant join the higher ups and do them. i can ask the higher ups to join me in gcc or tv normal but i dont liek to ask that because then it seems like im just asking them because im a lower lvl when to tell you the truth i just want to hang out with them. there are a few times ill ask them to help me out but otherwise i try and leave them alone so they dont think im needy.
I'd feel the same yotta if I were you.
As for me, I do enjoy helping our lower levels out with their quest instance because I want them to grow and become stronger. Also i m willing to show the tactics and stuff that I know, and guide you to help you pass the instances anytime.
But yeah, I can't be expected to run daily TV normal or GCC normals either =p

Problem is we are short of members, both higher levels and lower levels. The higher levels also have difficulties finding people for instances and we have a lot of work to do to get people too. I believe this is even more difficult for our lower levels and this looks like we are just abandoning you guys.

I'm just sorry yotta, I dont know what to say =(
yottaso wrote:the only time i can hang with them is at tp or a few times when i bump into them. this is why i try and come up with new ideas and new things or that both low and high lvl can do or reply on things someone else posts. i want eveyone to join in doing the escorts i want them to join in the nightly dueling i want them to join in anything shoot id be happy just to sit here on the forums and bs with everyone as long as i got to hang out with you all. if i have to do a few things i dont like for awhile in game for the guild and the guild members im up for it it makes me feel like im part of the group in all.
yottaso wrote: im just here to have some fun. but id liek to see more members both high and low lvl trying to make a lil room to do some stuff as a guild as a group of friends trying to better the game one way or the other.
I'd like that too yotta, but as you can see we have some internal issues...sadly.
yottaso wrote: lets all get together and do something as a guild lets run down the streets of chengdu screaming BIG BAD MF x13'S IN THE HOUSE MOFO'S!! ect ect lol
That'd be fun hehehe



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Re: Concerned about the guild

Post by LiuYue on Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:56 pm

MingShu wrote:I heard from last meeting that guild war is put aside too...wow, I dont know what to say, but well it's decided by council and I wasnt here.
We will participate in GW with allies.
MingShu wrote:In my opinion, leaders are expected to be active, involved and make decisions so the guild keep always advancing and improving as a guild but also was individuals. Also, is it their duty to hold the guild together in harmony, and to keep the motivation high.
We dont have a single leader, but a council made up of people starting from elite and up.
And again this is only my opinion and how i see things : We are not doing well at all (including myself of course)
I agree. However, don't be too disheartened, it's not anyone's fault.
The fact that the decisions are made by a group of people causes people to divide the responsibility, hence the lack of interest and involvement for the guild. I am starting to see that this "council" is a bad idea.
This is meant to be a fun game and now everyone is weighed down by those pedantic meetings. If we continue like this, we will lose our guild members to more organised guilds.

MingShu wrote:Hi yotta,
yottaso wrote: now i like instances i like mini's. the problem with this is im to low to do pv and rs1 ect so i cant join the higher ups and do them. i can ask the higher ups to join me in gcc or tv normal but i dont liek to ask that because then it seems like im just asking them because im a lower lvl when to tell you the truth i just want to hang out with them. there are a few times ill ask them to help me out but otherwise i try and leave them alone so they dont think im needy.
I'd feel the same yotta if I were you.
As for me, I do enjoy helping our lower levels out with their quest instance because I want them to grow and become stronger. Also i m willing to show the tactics and stuff that I know, and guide you to help you pass the instances anytime.
But yeah, I can't be expected to run daily TV normal or GCC normals either =p

Problem is we are short of members, both higher levels and lower levels. The higher levels also have difficulties finding people for instances and we have a lot of work to do to get people too. I believe this is even more difficult for our lower levels and this looks like we are just abandoning you guys.
This game is not centered around instances. What Yotta was trying to say is we need more guild activities that involves guildies across the levels. He along with the rest of the guildies, wants to "hang out" rather than get stuck in PV hell for 3 hrs straight. He wants this not for personal gain or to become stronger but to actually get to know you guys.

YottaSo wrote:i want to see people putting there 2 cents here like may, lui, zhen, rice,lotus, and honey and a few others have been doing. if u hate the ideas then say so if u think if u add this to an idea add it damn it... if u think its a bad idea or a really good one post that shit up for all to see, lets all get together and do something as a guild lets run down the streets of chengdu screaming BIG BAD MF x13'S IN THE HOUSE MOFO'S!! ect ect lol
Yea brother
As it is, more suggestions wouldn't hurt.

Here are already some suggestions that can involve guildies and they must be acted upon immeadiately:

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